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	<title>Comments on: The point when you can&#8217;t do free anymore</title>
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		<title>By: Craigslist Writing Gigs. I Thought They Outlawed Slavery? &#124; writeimage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craigslist Writing Gigs. I Thought They Outlawed Slavery? &#124; writeimage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 18:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Posts * The point when you can’t do free anymore * The economics of free or why I won’t do things for free anymore            Category: Direct [...]</description>
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		<title>By: modern warfare 2 multiplayer</title>
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		<dc:creator>modern warfare 2 multiplayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 19:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They think that they are not as good as the paid versions and do not possess the capability of thwarting attacks by viruses. This is totally wrong. The free version of these anti virus programs are provided by the same organizations that manufacture the paid ones. There might be a few differences though. It some of them, the automatic download of new signature files are not there and in others there is no online support. These options are available only with the paid version. It is high time that they downloaded such programs and protected their valuable data against threats from online attacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They think that they are not as good as the paid versions and do not possess the capability of thwarting attacks by viruses. This is totally wrong. The free version of these anti virus programs are provided by the same organizations that manufacture the paid ones. There might be a few differences though. It some of them, the automatic download of new signature files are not there and in others there is no online support. These options are available only with the paid version. It is high time that they downloaded such programs and protected their valuable data against threats from online attacks.</p>
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		<title>By: You want me to give away what?</title>
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		<dc:creator>You want me to give away what?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by Chris Brogan called The Audacity of Free. Reading this entry brought be to a different entry The point when you can’t do free anymore. Funny how reading from others outside of our industry opens up an entire thought process, but that [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love these types of blogs, but I&#039;m eagerly awaiting the day that this attitude becomes popular in the arts world. Artists are so often ask to do things for free-- play an event, create new pieces for auctions. I&#039;m often asked to basically be a curator for free. But when I talk about artists banding together and no longer giving our skills away for &quot;exposure&quot; -- which is a load of crap for us -- I get a few hear-hears and the rest is mostly angry disagreement. 

But this type of sentiment seems to be getting more and more popular in the tech/freelancing/consulting world, so I can only hope that it will become more clear that the same logic applies to artists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love these types of blogs, but I&#8217;m eagerly awaiting the day that this attitude becomes popular in the arts world. Artists are so often ask to do things for free&#8211; play an event, create new pieces for auctions. I&#8217;m often asked to basically be a curator for free. But when I talk about artists banding together and no longer giving our skills away for &#8220;exposure&#8221; &#8212; which is a load of crap for us &#8212; I get a few hear-hears and the rest is mostly angry disagreement. </p>
<p>But this type of sentiment seems to be getting more and more popular in the tech/freelancing/consulting world, so I can only hope that it will become more clear that the same logic applies to artists.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Work for Whuffie? &#124; ::HorsePigCow:: marketing uncommon</title>
		<link>http://johnbollwitt.com/2008/08/23/the-point-when-you-cant-do-free-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-65234</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Work for Whuffie? &#124; ::HorsePigCow:: marketing uncommon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 21:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] money to build their knowledge, connections and skills enough to provide value who are constantly being asked to transfer all those knowledge, connections and skills along to others for free. I know this because: a. many [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Richard Pitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Pitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a self-employed person (internet and marketing) every time I get to the point where my business stops being fun and starts being a pain, I raise my prices. This weeds out those who try to get something for little or nothing and allows me to better focus on those customers who actually value my skills.

Raising your price from zero to something is the same thing.

Subtle ways: &quot;Sure I&#039;ll help - but I&#039;m tied up until 5AM tomorrow morning - how about you bring it over then and cook breakfast while I work on it?&quot;

Not so subtle ways: &quot;Sure - I&#039;ll have a look at your computer but while I&#039;m doing this can you run out and fill my car with gas (or at least wash it)?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a self-employed person (internet and marketing) every time I get to the point where my business stops being fun and starts being a pain, I raise my prices. This weeds out those who try to get something for little or nothing and allows me to better focus on those customers who actually value my skills.</p>
<p>Raising your price from zero to something is the same thing.</p>
<p>Subtle ways: &#8220;Sure I&#8217;ll help &#8211; but I&#8217;m tied up until 5AM tomorrow morning &#8211; how about you bring it over then and cook breakfast while I work on it?&#8221;</p>
<p>Not so subtle ways: &#8220;Sure &#8211; I&#8217;ll have a look at your computer but while I&#8217;m doing this can you run out and fill my car with gas (or at least wash it)?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Isaac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isaac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got into a discussion about this recently with a family member.  Building machines is fun.  Teching machines can be fun, but usually it&#039;s the same damned problems - poorly written software for poorly written operating systems in the hands of poorly educated end users.

I like the ubiquity of Windows, the presentation of Apple, and the open qualities of GNU/Linux.  My answer was ultimately go to Linux - I already had a bevy of PC hardware and I&#039;m discouraged by the iron fist of hardware control Apple maintains (although I acknowledge it&#039;s one of the reasons their software is so damned good).  And most people think that if you&#039;re a geek/nerd/tech lover/etc that you just must like to do this sort of thing.

So I&#039;ve switched all of my machines to various flavors of Linux (outside of a single gaming machine).  Mostly I use Ubuntu or other Debian based distros.

There was this point where I said &quot;I&#039;m tired of fixing user initiated errors for machines&quot; after being called or e-mailed numerous times every week by various acquaintances that were having issues.  My solution has been this - $65 an hour for all tech support work outside of my immediate family, or I switch you to Linux for free.  So far I&#039;ve switched most of my friends, 6 members of my family, and a church to Linux with minimal fanfare and best of all much lower tech support requests.  Most of those people have simply ceased to have issues by taking the 2 main factors away (weak software/weak OS).

So the answer, for me anyway, was stick to your guns, charge people or offer an alternative that is mutually agreeable - but the more you give in and offer free support the more you&#039;re tied to that expectation, and in doing so devalue your work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got into a discussion about this recently with a family member.  Building machines is fun.  Teching machines can be fun, but usually it&#8217;s the same damned problems &#8211; poorly written software for poorly written operating systems in the hands of poorly educated end users.</p>
<p>I like the ubiquity of Windows, the presentation of Apple, and the open qualities of GNU/Linux.  My answer was ultimately go to Linux &#8211; I already had a bevy of PC hardware and I&#8217;m discouraged by the iron fist of hardware control Apple maintains (although I acknowledge it&#8217;s one of the reasons their software is so damned good).  And most people think that if you&#8217;re a geek/nerd/tech lover/etc that you just must like to do this sort of thing.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;ve switched all of my machines to various flavors of Linux (outside of a single gaming machine).  Mostly I use Ubuntu or other Debian based distros.</p>
<p>There was this point where I said &#8220;I&#8217;m tired of fixing user initiated errors for machines&#8221; after being called or e-mailed numerous times every week by various acquaintances that were having issues.  My solution has been this &#8211; $65 an hour for all tech support work outside of my immediate family, or I switch you to Linux for free.  So far I&#8217;ve switched most of my friends, 6 members of my family, and a church to Linux with minimal fanfare and best of all much lower tech support requests.  Most of those people have simply ceased to have issues by taking the 2 main factors away (weak software/weak OS).</p>
<p>So the answer, for me anyway, was stick to your guns, charge people or offer an alternative that is mutually agreeable &#8211; but the more you give in and offer free support the more you&#8217;re tied to that expectation, and in doing so devalue your work.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great topic John - I think it&#039;s a subject we all struggle with. It&#039;s probably the biggest downside in working for myself. I&#039;m a naturally a guy who likes to help people out - but when what you are good at is also how you make a living, you have to draw a line.

With family I still help out a lot - but they have and always will help me when I need it too. It is similar with friends - but I&#039;ve got a lot of friends so these days I tell them how to search for a solution to their problem and then to follow the recommended steps.

It&#039;s the whole give a man a fish/teach him how to fish kinda thing...

The longer I&#039;m in business for myself, the more I try to equip others with the tools and knowledge to solve their own problems, rather than just fixing things for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great topic John &#8211; I think it&#8217;s a subject we all struggle with. It&#8217;s probably the biggest downside in working for myself. I&#8217;m a naturally a guy who likes to help people out &#8211; but when what you are good at is also how you make a living, you have to draw a line.</p>
<p>With family I still help out a lot &#8211; but they have and always will help me when I need it too. It is similar with friends &#8211; but I&#8217;ve got a lot of friends so these days I tell them how to search for a solution to their problem and then to follow the recommended steps.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the whole give a man a fish/teach him how to fish kinda thing&#8230;</p>
<p>The longer I&#8217;m in business for myself, the more I try to equip others with the tools and knowledge to solve their own problems, rather than just fixing things for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Raul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, sorry for the lengthy comment :) oops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, sorry for the lengthy comment <img src='http://johnbollwitt.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  oops.</p>
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		<title>By: Raul</title>
		<link>http://johnbollwitt.com/2008/08/23/the-point-when-you-cant-do-free-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-64579</link>
		<dc:creator>Raul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great topic, John, and I&#039;m surprised it hasn&#039;t been commented much, but it&#039;s true. I agree with what Keith, Duane and Phaedra have all commented, and would add that the English language has helped me deal with that greatly.

For example, if somebody tells me &quot;hey can you translate this short sentence for me&quot; (in any of the languages I speak) I am more than happy to do so. If somebody tells me to spend an hour of my time translating, I&#039;m expecting that either (a) the person asking is a very close friend, and he/she will appreciate what I do or (b) the relationship is so reciprocal that asking a favor back will never be an issue.

Given my current lack of steady income, I am frequently worried about asking people for help because I worry I won&#039;t have the cash to pay them. It&#039;s not that they WANT or EXPECT compensation, it&#039;s that I feel bad that I can&#039;t afford to pay back in the kind of compensation they DESERVE. 

I&#039;m often trying to find ways to pay back to the people who help me, and I find that the feeling and attitude is always mutual. The only person who used me completely was my former best friend, and he is gone from my life as of February 2006.

In closing, your knowledge is your currency. And I find that there is nothing wrong in charging when it goes above and beyond the call of duty (or friendship). 

Also, as I said, English as a language helps me a lot. I have a MUCH harder time charging friends in Spanish than I do in English. It&#039;s easier to say &quot;well, my hourly rate is ...&quot; than &quot;bueno, esta asesoría te va a costar TANTO&quot;

You&#039;ve opened a great topic for discussion here, John!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great topic, John, and I&#8217;m surprised it hasn&#8217;t been commented much, but it&#8217;s true. I agree with what Keith, Duane and Phaedra have all commented, and would add that the English language has helped me deal with that greatly.</p>
<p>For example, if somebody tells me &#8220;hey can you translate this short sentence for me&#8221; (in any of the languages I speak) I am more than happy to do so. If somebody tells me to spend an hour of my time translating, I&#8217;m expecting that either (a) the person asking is a very close friend, and he/she will appreciate what I do or (b) the relationship is so reciprocal that asking a favor back will never be an issue.</p>
<p>Given my current lack of steady income, I am frequently worried about asking people for help because I worry I won&#8217;t have the cash to pay them. It&#8217;s not that they WANT or EXPECT compensation, it&#8217;s that I feel bad that I can&#8217;t afford to pay back in the kind of compensation they DESERVE. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m often trying to find ways to pay back to the people who help me, and I find that the feeling and attitude is always mutual. The only person who used me completely was my former best friend, and he is gone from my life as of February 2006.</p>
<p>In closing, your knowledge is your currency. And I find that there is nothing wrong in charging when it goes above and beyond the call of duty (or friendship). </p>
<p>Also, as I said, English as a language helps me a lot. I have a MUCH harder time charging friends in Spanish than I do in English. It&#8217;s easier to say &#8220;well, my hourly rate is &#8230;&#8221; than &#8220;bueno, esta asesoría te va a costar TANTO&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve opened a great topic for discussion here, John!</p>
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		<title>By: Big Bro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Bro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey...got a minute...can you look at my MacBook...

BTW...it went in the shop...$430 plus tax to get it back to specs...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey&#8230;got a minute&#8230;can you look at my MacBook&#8230;</p>
<p>BTW&#8230;it went in the shop&#8230;$430 plus tax to get it back to specs&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John Bollwitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Bollwitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 06:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do not get me started about LimeWire.  I don&#039;t even care about the discussion about copyright infringement when it comes to file sharing.  It&#039;s just a pain if you install it, especially on your Windows machine.  Ugh!@!$</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do not get me started about LimeWire.  I don&#8217;t even care about the discussion about copyright infringement when it comes to file sharing.  It&#8217;s just a pain if you install it, especially on your Windows machine.  Ugh!@!$</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Murray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 00:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a great topic to bring up, John, and really one that doesn&#039;t get enough attention. Though I don&#039;t experience it to the same degree that you do, I&#039;m often asked by either family or friends to assist with technical support on their computers or home networks, and this has recently started to happen with more frequency with co-workers asking about their home machines.

I&#039;ve always been hesitant to agree to charging money for any of these services for fear that it would be tantamount to offering a warranty.  At the same time, I&#039;m not all that keen on spending hours and hours of my free time showing someone how to re-install Windows on their PC because they&#039;ve downloaded too much crap off LimeWire and find themselves with a box full of malware.

Maybe it&#039;s time more geeks went from tech-support flunkie to paid consultant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a great topic to bring up, John, and really one that doesn&#8217;t get enough attention. Though I don&#8217;t experience it to the same degree that you do, I&#8217;m often asked by either family or friends to assist with technical support on their computers or home networks, and this has recently started to happen with more frequency with co-workers asking about their home machines.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always been hesitant to agree to charging money for any of these services for fear that it would be tantamount to offering a warranty.  At the same time, I&#8217;m not all that keen on spending hours and hours of my free time showing someone how to re-install Windows on their PC because they&#8217;ve downloaded too much crap off LimeWire and find themselves with a box full of malware.</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s time more geeks went from tech-support flunkie to paid consultant.</p>
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		<title>By: Phaedra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phaedra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 23:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard to draw the line, especially if the boundary has already been crossed by certain friends or co-workers.  But you have nothing to lose (except working for free) and everything to gain (getting paid or not being asked by freeloaders).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard to draw the line, especially if the boundary has already been crossed by certain friends or co-workers.  But you have nothing to lose (except working for free) and everything to gain (getting paid or not being asked by freeloaders).</p>
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		<title>By: Duane Storey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duane Storey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 23:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t mind helping people out and doing favours for them, but I sort of expect when I need something from them they&#039;ll be around to help me out as well.  Most of my friends are good with that, but many people aren&#039;t.   I kind of like the line the Joker used in the last Batman movie - &quot;If you&#039;re good at something, never do it for free.&quot;

I&#039;ve been told by many companies in Vancouver that once you draw a line in the sand for what you will do for how much money, you&#039;ll lose a bunch of business, but it will be replaced by higher paying (and generally higher quality) clients.  So you basically just have to voluntarily decide to stop doing work for nothing and move past it.  I&#039;m bad for that as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t mind helping people out and doing favours for them, but I sort of expect when I need something from them they&#8217;ll be around to help me out as well.  Most of my friends are good with that, but many people aren&#8217;t.   I kind of like the line the Joker used in the last Batman movie &#8211; &#8220;If you&#8217;re good at something, never do it for free.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been told by many companies in Vancouver that once you draw a line in the sand for what you will do for how much money, you&#8217;ll lose a bunch of business, but it will be replaced by higher paying (and generally higher quality) clients.  So you basically just have to voluntarily decide to stop doing work for nothing and move past it.  I&#8217;m bad for that as well.</p>
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