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	<title>Comments on: Thoughts on transit in Vancouver at the back of the room during TransitCamp</title>
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		<title>By: gps automobile tracking</title>
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		<dc:creator>gps automobile tracking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;gps automobile tracking...&lt;/strong&gt;

Quite a bit actually....</description>
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<p>Quite a bit actually&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ariane Khachatourians &#124; West End Girl &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A late post on TransitCamp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ariane Khachatourians &#124; West End Girl &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A late post on TransitCamp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] [1],[2],[3-not really about TransitCamp, but perhaps inspired by [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Stephen Rees</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Rees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twinning the Port Mann bridge might reduce congestion because it means removing a bottleneck - more lanes lead to the bridge than cross it. Unfortunately that is not what is being proposed. The province wants to widen the freeway on both sides as well. All that does is build a bigger bottleneck.

All experience with freeway expansion has been shown to be fruitless in terms of dealing with congestion (see for examples http://mobility.tamu.edu/ums/) 

The province has also decided - against all the evidence - not to use a tolling strategy to control congestion but rather to stay in line with the outdated notion that tolls simply pay for the new infrastructure - but now with the addition of - and make profits for a private sector partner.

For much more information I suggest you visit the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.liveableregion.ca/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Liveable Region Coaltion&#039;s&lt;/a&gt; web site and read the submissions we made to the Environmental Assessment Process</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twinning the Port Mann bridge might reduce congestion because it means removing a bottleneck &#8211; more lanes lead to the bridge than cross it. Unfortunately that is not what is being proposed. The province wants to widen the freeway on both sides as well. All that does is build a bigger bottleneck.</p>
<p>All experience with freeway expansion has been shown to be fruitless in terms of dealing with congestion (see for examples <a href="http://mobility.tamu.edu/ums/)" rel="nofollow">http://mobility.tamu.edu/ums/)</a> </p>
<p>The province has also decided &#8211; against all the evidence &#8211; not to use a tolling strategy to control congestion but rather to stay in line with the outdated notion that tolls simply pay for the new infrastructure &#8211; but now with the addition of &#8211; and make profits for a private sector partner.</p>
<p>For much more information I suggest you visit the <a href="http://www.liveableregion.ca/" rel="nofollow">Liveable Region Coaltion&#8217;s</a> web site and read the submissions we made to the Environmental Assessment Process</p>
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		<title>By: John Bollwitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Bollwitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith and Ryan, you both made some good points.  Read my post edit above to get some more response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith and Ryan, you both made some good points.  Read my post edit above to get some more response.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Cousineau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Cousineau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 08:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As attractive as the idea of not adding car capacity to the #1 is, it won&#039;t work. The issue isn&#039;t getting people to the other side of the Port Mann (which yes, Skytrain would do nicely), it&#039;s getting people to the vast and growing low-density areas beyond Surrey, which is pretty much everything from Langley to Hope.

Yes, those are long distance trips made by large numbers of people and goods. There is no especially practical public transit solution for handling these volumes of traffic bottlenecked through four lanes at one crossing before dispersing to an area several times the size of Metro Vancouver.

So Skytrain over that corridor would greatly benefit the thousands of people who live near 152nd and 108th in Surrey, and do almost nothing for the hundreds of thousands beyond them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As attractive as the idea of not adding car capacity to the #1 is, it won&#8217;t work. The issue isn&#8217;t getting people to the other side of the Port Mann (which yes, Skytrain would do nicely), it&#8217;s getting people to the vast and growing low-density areas beyond Surrey, which is pretty much everything from Langley to Hope.</p>
<p>Yes, those are long distance trips made by large numbers of people and goods. There is no especially practical public transit solution for handling these volumes of traffic bottlenecked through four lanes at one crossing before dispersing to an area several times the size of Metro Vancouver.</p>
<p>So Skytrain over that corridor would greatly benefit the thousands of people who live near 152nd and 108th in Surrey, and do almost nothing for the hundreds of thousands beyond them.</p>
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		<title>By: kdmurray</title>
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		<dc:creator>kdmurray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 07:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of the time I agree with your take on things, it&#039;s generally pretty balanced and logical.  But I have to say that you&#039;re off the mark about the twinning of the Port Mann.  Trying to commute from Fraser Heights to my office in Burnaby would take about an hour each way, with half of that time spent waiting in line for the bridge.  Right now, transit just isn&#039;t a viable option.

Do we need more SkyTrain?  ABSOLUTELY!  They should run two lines out to the valley, one up the #1, and another up Fraser Highway.  Not to mention the planned Evergreen line up the North-side of the Fraser.

Bottom line: When my wife and I bought our new place, we had to move OUT of Surrey and into the ever-more-crowded city of Burnaby (we looked at Vancouver too).

We have cars.  Lots of cars, there are more than ever before and we have to deal with that.  We&#039;re getting better, more fuel-efficient cars, hybrids, carpooling etc. etc.  People love their cars, and as we move forward and even more energy-efficient and environmentally-friendly technologies come to the fore, we&#039;ll have more and more cars they just won&#039;t hurt the environment as much.

There&#039;s no one solution to transit and transportation.  If you get enough people going to one place, then you&#039;ll be able to use mass transit options.  For the next 20 years, most of Surrey, Langley, Aldergrove, Abbotsford and others will still be relatively low-density areas.  Rapid transit, and even buses in many cases won&#039;t be financially viable options.  Cars will be critical and we&#039;ll have to build the infrastructure to deal with them.

There are backups, lineups for the Port-Mann bridge &lt;b&gt;Seven Days a Week&lt;/b&gt; right now, and it&#039;s purely due to volume.  I go back to Surrey on the weekends to visit friends and family and without exception there are lineups for the bridge (and only the bridge) at mid-day every weekend!

So let&#039;s twin the bridge, but let&#039;s also run SkyTrain down that bridge and truly provide an option for people from outside Vancouver, Burnaby and Richmond can have some really usable transit options.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the time I agree with your take on things, it&#8217;s generally pretty balanced and logical.  But I have to say that you&#8217;re off the mark about the twinning of the Port Mann.  Trying to commute from Fraser Heights to my office in Burnaby would take about an hour each way, with half of that time spent waiting in line for the bridge.  Right now, transit just isn&#8217;t a viable option.</p>
<p>Do we need more SkyTrain?  ABSOLUTELY!  They should run two lines out to the valley, one up the #1, and another up Fraser Highway.  Not to mention the planned Evergreen line up the North-side of the Fraser.</p>
<p>Bottom line: When my wife and I bought our new place, we had to move OUT of Surrey and into the ever-more-crowded city of Burnaby (we looked at Vancouver too).</p>
<p>We have cars.  Lots of cars, there are more than ever before and we have to deal with that.  We&#8217;re getting better, more fuel-efficient cars, hybrids, carpooling etc. etc.  People love their cars, and as we move forward and even more energy-efficient and environmentally-friendly technologies come to the fore, we&#8217;ll have more and more cars they just won&#8217;t hurt the environment as much.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no one solution to transit and transportation.  If you get enough people going to one place, then you&#8217;ll be able to use mass transit options.  For the next 20 years, most of Surrey, Langley, Aldergrove, Abbotsford and others will still be relatively low-density areas.  Rapid transit, and even buses in many cases won&#8217;t be financially viable options.  Cars will be critical and we&#8217;ll have to build the infrastructure to deal with them.</p>
<p>There are backups, lineups for the Port-Mann bridge <b>Seven Days a Week</b> right now, and it&#8217;s purely due to volume.  I go back to Surrey on the weekends to visit friends and family and without exception there are lineups for the bridge (and only the bridge) at mid-day every weekend!</p>
<p>So let&#8217;s twin the bridge, but let&#8217;s also run SkyTrain down that bridge and truly provide an option for people from outside Vancouver, Burnaby and Richmond can have some really usable transit options.</p>
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